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		<title>Goodbye Areca, Hello LSI</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 17:26:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>SysOp</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[While it&#8217;s not clear exactly who-is-causing what, what is clear is the areca driver tries to de-reference a NULL pointer, this is either because the adapter screws up, or the driver screws up somewhere. The result is a Solaris kernel fault, pointing at the arcmsr driver, and apparently an adapter lockup.  It&#8217;s not 100% clear [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While it&#8217;s not clear exactly who-is-causing what, what is clear is the areca driver tries to de-reference a NULL pointer, this is either because the adapter screws up, or the driver screws up somewhere. The result is a Solaris kernel fault, pointing at the arcmsr driver, and apparently an adapter lockup.  It&#8217;s not 100% clear what causes this condition.  It could be the driver not handling some buffer appropriately, it could be the card sending an error that the driver doesn&#8217;t handle.  It&#8217;s pretty likely though the issue is completely inside of the arcmsr driver and <a href="http://areca.com.tw/">Areca</a> hardware.  One thing we did discover that means we HAVE to replace the Areca hardware is that in JBOD mode (which is how we use it, since we&#8217;re using <a href="http://solaris.com/zfs">Solaris&#8217; ZFS superset</a> of RAID functionality), any disk failure seizes the whole card up until the failure clears, or maybe until some apparently long timer clears.  SATA and SAS have ethernet-like link failure detection.  You know within milliseconds when the cable is pulled. The Areca&#8217;s in JBOD mode seem unable to handle hot-swap of any type, or even failures of any type.  When we tried to get them to address it all we received was vague &#8220;you must have a failing drive&#8221; answers, which for a RAID card is a bad answer.  Even in JBOD mode the controller should signal/propogate an error.  Solaris&#8217; would handle this condition.</p>
<p>Then there&#8217;s the boot selection.  All logical drives appear in the boot selection.  Either the list fills up or the Areca&#8217;s only show drives on the first controller.  That&#8217;s a problem if you want to be able to boot an alternate drive on a second controller.</p>
<p>So, Saturday, I get to backup the entire user data.  Blow the whole damn thing away.  And start over.  *sigh*</p>
<p>I know I posted about this before, but we were avoiding the whole rebuild thing, turns out I&#8217;m going to have to do that anyway.  Argh.  The biggest reason is the <a href="http://lsi.com">LSI</a> cards use an on-disk metadata format (apparently).  They&#8217;re kinda quiet about it all so I&#8217;m not sure how big it is or where on the disk.  I&#8217;m betting it&#8217;s the last N megs of the drive.  8, 16, 20 something.  Most people won&#8217;t notice, but if you&#8217;re migrating, it becomes noticeable.</p>
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		<title>Where&#8217;s the RAID? I&#8217;ve still got a bug!</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 01:34:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>SysOp</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Some days it&#8217;d be nice to be a cockroach, life would be simpler that&#8217;s for sure.  So in a previous post I mentioned the trials of getting an ARC-1280ML working with 16+ drives in JBOD.  We&#8217;ve decided to go with a pair of the same controller, less ports the ARC-1231ML.  Hopefully they&#8217;ll fix the limitation [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some days it&#8217;d be nice to be a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cockroach">cockroach</a>, life would be simpler that&#8217;s for sure.  So <a href="http://www.dotblag.com/index.php/2008/02/07/raid-no-not-the-insecticide-though-there-is-a-bug-here/">in a previous post</a> I mentioned the trials of getting an <a href="http://www.areca.us/products/pcie341.htm">ARC-1280ML</a> working with 16+ drives in JBOD.  We&#8217;ve decided to go with a pair of the same controller, less ports the <a href="http://www.areca.us/products/pcie341.htm">ARC-1231ML</a>.  Hopefully they&#8217;ll fix the limitation at some point.  So we&#8217;re waiting on that new hardware.  Keep in mind there&#8217;s nothing really *wrong* with the ARC-1280ML, it&#8217;s just not going to do what we need it to do.</p>
<p>Taking the card out, btw, felt a bit dodgy.  It&#8217;s a heavy chassis, with 24 3.5&#8243; 10KRPM 73GB SATA drives in it, 5U tall.  It&#8217;s mounted fairly low in a full rack, but still, it&#8217;s heavy.  I slid it out on it&#8217;s rails while standing to one side just in case.  I&#8217;ll have to take a picture sometime for you guys to see what I&#8217;m talking about, maybe when I update and put the 2 controllers back in.  I am 99% sure the racks won&#8217;t come over, but still.  It feels unnatural.</p>
<p>It&#8217;d be great to get a <a href="http://www.darwinawards.com/">Darwin</a> for that one I suppose. <img src='http://www.dotblag.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>RAID, no, not the insecticide, though there is a bug here.</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 01:57:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>SysOp</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Areca ARC-1280 (and ARC-1280ML&#8217;s, same product, different connector) have 24 SATA ports.  But only support 16 drives in JBOD mode&#8230;.or in any mode really, 16 drives exposed to the host is maximum.  The controller deadlocks during POST/INIT if you have 17+ drives when it&#8217;s set to JBOD mode.  So you can have 12 LUNs 2 [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.areca.us/">Areca</a> <a href="http://www.areca.us/products/pcie341.htm">ARC-1280</a> (and ARC-1280ML&#8217;s, same product, different connector) have 24 SATA ports.  But only support 16 drives in JBOD mode&#8230;.or in any mode really, 16 drives exposed to the host is maximum.  The controller deadlocks during POST/INIT if you have 17+ drives when it&#8217;s set to JBOD mode.  So you can have 12 LUNs 2 drives each (mirrors) or some other combination of RAID, but you can&#8217;t do JBOD with 24 drives as of the most current (1.43) <a href="http://www.areca.us/support/main.htm">firmware</a>.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m waiting to hear back from them exactly why this is.  At least this one isn&#8217;t affecting our rollout of anything, but if there&#8217;s no &#8220;fix&#8221; for this controller it means trading out to 2&#215;12 or 1&#215;16+1&#215;8 port controllers or something like that.  Not a big deal for us for this operation since we plan to use <a href="http://www.sun.com/solaris">Solaris</a> <a href="http://www.sun.com/software/solaris/ds/zfs.jsp">ZFS</a> which has integrated RAID with transactional support and because it&#8217;s totally integrated into the filesystem it really appeals to me as something that could be (and probably is) very reliable.  They&#8217;ve also taken a lot of steps to produce a filesystem that is an order of magnitude more reliable and better at ensuring data integrity than almost anything readily available for production.</p>
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